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Skype drops support for ALSA

In a Skype blog post yesterday, the announcement was made that the latest version of Skype has dropped support for the ALSA sound system and that Linux users are expected to use PulseAudio exclusively from now on.

Boo Hoo Microsoft, for killing this itsy bit of Linux compatibility in your closed-source product.

I guess for Slackware users it is game over for Skype calls. Time to find out if we can come up with a solution that bundles private libraries for PulseAudio so that we do not have to pollute the system directories with it.

Eric

Comments

Comment from Robby
Posted: June 19, 2014 at 08:09

I’d replied to Willy’s tweet yesterday on this exact issue. Hopefully there won’t be any changes in Slack over the short term to break v4.2 – not ideal but if that’s all we can do …

Comment from Schmatzler
Posted: June 19, 2014 at 08:57

Skype is getting more and more bad. Microsoft just decides to have the monopoly and can do whatever they want.

The same thing happened with Chrome and NPAPI. We should learn that being dependent on a big company is never a good sign.

Didn’t Microsoft decide do drop the 3rd-party-API in Skype a while ago? That would make the next version unusable, even WITH alsa support.

Comment from Jen
Posted: June 19, 2014 at 14:54

Ugh. One of the big reasons I stick with slackware is because it isn’t dependent upon pulseaudio. I’m a composer who does a lot of computer music. Maybe it’s just coincidence, but I’ve never had audio work properly on a system that required pulseaudio (even if it isn’t being used.)

First questionable privacy issues WRT Microsoft and skype, now this. Yep, not using it. My nieces can pick up a phone, or I can hold my nose and do facetime on one of the macs.

Comment from Brad R.
Posted: June 19, 2014 at 18:33

Did the previous version of Skype stop working? I saw the news about the new pulseaudio requirement, and just decided not to “upgrade.”

Comment from Me
Posted: June 19, 2014 at 22:09

It’s time to look at replacements for skype.
I don’t trust skype anymore with servers under american laws and cloud integration.
But i do like “share desktop” function in skype.
Is there an good replacement for skype?
I need audio calls, text chat and share desktop.

Comment from Me
Posted: June 19, 2014 at 22:11

I forgot to write that audio calls i need is client to client no landlines.

Comment from yonaton
Posted: June 20, 2014 at 14:59

M$ could screw up a wet dream.

Comment from gianco
Posted: June 20, 2014 at 22:42

I’m just waiting for this: http://tox.im/

I never liked Skype, I’m forced to use it on the job.

Comment from Me
Posted: June 21, 2014 at 02:35

@gianco Thanks for the tip.

Comment from LoneStar
Posted: June 21, 2014 at 11:56

we can all despise Skype, but if we need to communicate with other people who uses only that, we must cope

Comment from Hussam Al-Tayeb
Posted: June 27, 2014 at 15:31

There is no 64bit linux skype client and I don’t wish to install 32bit libraries on my 64bit linux installation. Too many reasons not to be using skype to begin with.

Comment from rfringuello89
Posted: June 28, 2014 at 10:31

Time to find out if we can find another application. Since when Microsoft bought skype it sucks both on Linux and on Android (since 4.4.0 on my Nexus 4 it is impossible to use it: crashes, reboots and so on), I had also some bad news about IOS.

Comment from Regnad Kcin
Posted: July 6, 2014 at 17:16

I had recently totally reworked my oiNKpod and installed a fresh new Slackware-64 -current and got kde -current up-to-date. After installing the 32-bit-multilib-packages for current, the old skype packages install and work just fine. I do get business contacts via Skype, so it is important.

Comment from Regnad Kcin
Posted: July 11, 2014 at 07:44

What are the issues with PulseAudio? I haven’t tried it and am a bit leery of doing so because I am not wanting to have to clean out my system back to scratch just to get rid of it.

I am not sure that ALSA is all that great, so I am wondering what is so wrong about PulseAudio.

Comment from Feri
Posted: July 11, 2014 at 18:32

Hi,
I’ve managed to add the pulseaudio using the sbo packages for both 64-bit and also created the compat32 packages, however for best experience i had to rebuild alsa-lib and alsa-plugins(sbo) packages.
Now this thing works, and i can do video calls over skype on my multilib system, however hwdts and hwac3 output from mplayer does not work and also the sound for any DTS or AC3 videos are crap using digital out/passthrough.

All in all it is inconvenient, but can be done.

Comment from Reason
Posted: July 13, 2014 at 18:39

@Regnad Kcin: there are many problems with pulseaudio. It is a failure in that it is supposed to be simple and “black-box” but its not – I always have to dig in some configuration to make it work. It is also a failure in that it is supposed to simplify things, but it also makes it complicated; because it tries to guess what you want, is very intrusive, and when you change configurations it often doesn’t know what to do. Lastly, it is painfully slow by design. It resamples every single audio “manually”. You literally have to choose between quick resampling or a good resampling. If you like to do anything computationally intensive while listening to music, give up. You can’t. That’s pulseaudio.

Comment from Regnad Kcin
Posted: July 15, 2014 at 00:33

Thanks for the comment. Not sure what you mean by “black-box”. Your description reminds me of microsoft, though.

Comment from Drakeo
Posted: July 22, 2014 at 08:36

I moved over to google talk for my long distance phone calls.
keeping old skype. 4.3 now in slackbuilds is pretty much broken
for voice. With out pulseaudio and pavucontrol.
As for pulseaudio install pretty much breaks everything I have set up for DJing. Like skype call in etc. ALSA is in the kernel so there are many eyes on it. I believe they have set a standard.

Comment from Ericka
Posted: July 30, 2014 at 09:08

If you are not against java, move to Jitsi client. It has share desktop support.

Comment from KenL
Posted: August 2, 2014 at 12:49

Users can no longer connect to Skype using 4.2 and older.
http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Having-trouble-signing-in-Retirement-of-older-versions-of-Skype/td-p/3439685

Comment from alienbob
Posted: August 2, 2014 at 16:55

Well I am running Skype 4.2.0.11 on this Slackware64-current box I am typing at. It works perfectly.

Comment from st.alexiev
Posted: August 2, 2014 at 23:35

user is reporting that slackware 64 is working if we build 32bit version of pulseaudio and some other libraries
can you check it please

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/skype-4-3-a-4175508618/page3.html

Comment from KenL
Posted: August 3, 2014 at 00:51

I was refused login today using 4.2. Upgraded to 4.3 on a 32 bit machine using the Slackbuilds.org scripts (Skype, PulseAudio, speex, json-c) and was able to make a test call. I haven’t run into any problems yet with other apps (mostly Flashplayer would be noticed). I have not tried my wife’s multi-lib machine yet.

Comment from alienbob
Posted: August 3, 2014 at 12:50

When I logged out of Skype this morning and tried logging in again, Skype would tell me it could connect to the service.
I then upgraded Skype to 4.3.0.37 and ran that new version.
It started, connected and I was able to chat to others in my contact list.
It then occurred to me that I never use voice or video in Skype, so I an not affected by the sudden PulseAudio requirement. The sound is gone (including startup sound and notifications) but the chat still works.

I guess it’s time for everybody to switch to better alternatives if you want voice and video.

Comment from Drakeo
Posted: August 5, 2014 at 04:35

Never give up my slack just moved to Google hangouts for conference calls and video. Set up a free google number that calls all my phones numbers easy stuff.

Slackware Google voice in hangout is nice. Slackers make the best hangouts. How was them Micro breweries in the bay area.
:)

Comment from st.alexiev
Posted: August 5, 2014 at 17:07

“Never give up” mean go and find how to make skype work , not switching to other program …

Comment from alienbob
Posted: August 5, 2014 at 21:12

It’s not difficult at all to make Skype 4.3 work in Slackware. But you must accept PulseAudio on your computer.

Comment from Jeff Read
Posted: August 6, 2014 at 23:27

Just man up and adopt PulseAudio into Slackware. Geez. Ubuntu’s Pulse integration was shit back in the day but Pulse itself provides useful extensions to the Linux audio stack — from userspace where they belong. It’s stable, it works, and it’s the new standard.

Slackware users and maintainers are going to have to accept that Pulse, systemd, and Wayland are becoming core components of the modern GNU/Linux ecosystem, without which critical software will fail. Instead of fighting this trend they should accept and embrace it.

Comment from alienbob
Posted: August 7, 2014 at 09:15

Jeff, nice to see a real troll here.
Slackware does not have to accept anything,

We have never even discussed Wayland until now, but it has no negative vibe associated to it so I am neutral toward Wayland and watching how it develops. At this point, I see no reason to switch from X.Org to Wayland.

I do not think systemd is entering the distribution any time soon; and adding pulseaudio is left as an exercise to the reader. There is no reason to have it as part of Slackware, except to support proprietary Microsoft software. Duh?

If no one would fight the adoption of pulseaudio and systemd, we would all just be sheep. I am glad there are some people still who keep a level head and actually consider the pros and cons on other merits than a mere “but everybody else is doing it too !”.

Comment from RafaBR
Posted: August 13, 2014 at 17:31

Hi, if anyone need to continue using skype 4.2.x version, follow these steps:

* remove skype 4.2.x version
* install skype 4.3.x version
* connect with mark to “Sign me in when Skype starts”
* click Quit (don’t Sign Out)
* remove skype 4.3.x
* install again skype 4.2.x version
* now the skype will connect automatically
* NEVER SIGN OUT, ALWAYS ONLY QUIT

I hope it works!

Comment from HenriqueAK
Posted: August 16, 2014 at 00:39

Making the trick with the automatically ‘sign me in’ can work at now (maybe) and at the expense of your patience to install and uninstall skypes versions sometimes. I have never disconnected my Skype through months, but today (August,15) I was obscurely logged off from Skype and so I could not connect anymore, receiving the same message you all are talking about, and so I am here. I think M$ is kicking off their old users.

Comment from Marco
Posted: August 17, 2014 at 21:40

Not a problem at all, entered the account, fullfilled with xxxx every space, saved, contacted the support service and requested to delete the account.

Then i posted a small video… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sygq-Ys-8LE

Comment from Simon
Posted: September 23, 2014 at 07:29

Game over! Indeed. But who cares for Skype, I mean really…

Comment from alienbob
Posted: September 23, 2014 at 15:37

Some people have family or friends with Windows computers running Skype. That is why.

Comment from Joel
Posted: October 6, 2014 at 16:49

Has anyone tried apulse?
There’s a slackbuild available on Slackbuilds.org, and it would seem to be a more Slackware friendly solution (if it works!).
Any thoughts?

Comment from Jen
Posted: October 6, 2014 at 22:16

I’m pretty sure there were people on linuxquestions.org who were using Skype with apulse. Worth a shot. :)

Comment from tomac
Posted: October 8, 2014 at 19:58

I’ve just tested Skype with apulse, and looks like it’s working. I’ve checked it only with “skype test call” so far, but results look promising :)

After building apulse (see http://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.1/audio/apulse/?search=apulse) you can run skype with the following command:

apulse skype

Skype did, however, stop responding two times for me, and I had to restart not only Skype but even reload ALSA settings with /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa restart. We will see if this happens very often – it happened for me only when I had capture devices (internal mic) switched off, so perhaps this won’t happen under “normal circumstances”.

Comment from tomac
Posted: October 8, 2014 at 20:02

Another option which looks interesting: https://github.com/waterlaz/skype_oss_wrapper

Comment from Micke
Posted: November 3, 2014 at 13:28

Hi.. I could recommend using apulse from archlinux.. works perfect with Skype and no need for pulseaudio.

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